Poly-Fiber system

Scarlow

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Has anyone covered a 14-13 useing the Poly-fiber system? I am trying to price out a restoration and was just wondering if anyone has an approximate cost to re-cover an aircraft using this system (I will be covering the wings too). Is the Poly-fiber system even the way to go or does anyone recomend another system to use?


Thanks,
Mat
 
The poly Fiber system is fine but use the AeroThane topcoat as the Poly tone is much harder to get a decent gloss (can be done but a lot of work)and has a tendency to form cracks along edges between solid structure/open fabric in high vibration areas. I've also seen poor results with waterbased systems in cooler climates. If you go to the back of the Poly Systems covering manual there is a list of aircraft and required amounts of materials, then go to your favorite parts supplier catalogue and multiply gallons x amounts etc. I find their required estimates to be about 10-20% low. Also very hard to beat the old Ceconite system (nitrate&butyrate dope) for ease and origional look and a nice gloss when buffed out!Cheers Ken :D
 
I agree with Ken when he states that it's hard to beat Ceconite and dope. Dope is so easy to work with, much softer and more flexible than the Poly products, and done correctly gives a better finish. Great stuff.

RT
 
I just bought 9800B, and was pleased to find out it has Ceconite with Randolph dope system. Not only that, but it was never top coated with polyurethane. I like STITS just fine too, but the following experience this week really opened my eyes.
9800B was recovered in 1992, and had a few cracks in the dope at the windshield and over the tank cover leading edge. Because it was Buterate dope, I was able to use Randolphs Buterate rejuvinator. It softened up the cracked dope, and melted it back down. :D Cracks in Polyurethane can't be melted back down.
I'll never use a polyuerthane top coat in the future, that rejuvinator was amazing on 19 year old dope!!
I laid down a boundary of electrical tape on either side of the cracked area, and applied the rejuvinator with a 1" chip brush, returning every few minutes to brush on some more, including into the cracks. after a while the lifted part of the cracks began to soften and bend, eventually they melted completely and flowed back into place. I'm going to follow up with some colored dope to final match, because the white dope over the windshield was applied over the Bahama blue, so it stirred up a little blue tinge, but the dope bond was very satisfactory. Be sure to lightly run a razor down the tape near the edge, then pull up the tape while the dope is soft. I have a slight edge on the repair area, but it is much better than a dope crack. (not sure about when to pull the tape up, I have not tried waiting until the dope sets up first)
I realize that dope won't be as shiney as polyurethane, but original dope & fabric planes were dope covered the same way, so it looks 'right' to me.
The FAA specifically allows these repairs, including tape and small patches. It is so easy and extends the life of the cover.
I was also warned to never allow any silicone based polish, wax, treated rags etc on the dope, as it will ruin the ability to repair it.
 
Thanks for the advice, I will definitely have to look into Ceconite a little more. I have heard that the Poly-fiber is a lighter system, is the weight savings fairly signifigant? just trying to do up a list of pro's and con's for each...
 
http://www.polyfiber.com/products/practicekit.htm
Polyfiber has a small kit ($40??) that you glue a piece of fabric onto a wood frame, heat shrink it, and dope it, using their products. It's a neat way to give them a try.
It has the wood frame, fabric, and small cans of products...polytak, poly brush etc. plus instructions all in a box. I bought it for the wife...her son ended up doing it. :wink: It was easy enough.
Scott
 
I recovered from the recover. It has been 3 yrs since I did the crate and hundreds of hours on it. I used the PolyFiber system and Aerothane poly paint. The whole thing costs $5005 bucks. I priced this job with some pros and was quoted 25K which I considered at the time outrageous. Let me tell you Chief I wouldn't touch another for anything under 35K! The only pleasure in recovering an airplane is when it is DONE. The big surprize is what you find when you tear off the old cover. I could write a couple chapters on that. This is one tough job and it took me 32 weeks of intense work. You end up the final weeks looking like 'Nucular Samuri' and it is just as dangerous. My addition to the excellent PolyFiber manual would be:( 1) Brush nothing use the HVLP gun on everything. This is really true on the wings as the light wt fiber show every imperfection. (2) Cover the bottom of the fuselage with the heavy fabric, all the vibration shows up down on the bottom. (3) Get as much help as you can, the wings are very heavy and you must remove them to do the fuselage. (4) Build a wing jig like the factory. Russell W. has great pics and advice on that. (5) I used Jim and Dondi Miller for all my supplies and advice. This was a wise move as he does the Goodyear Blimp. (6) Follow the manual and you'll do fine but don't use a brush except for the PolyTac glue. The day you start put on the fresh air mask and pretend your an Air Force pilot in a closed hangar this s;;; will knock you out. Try it in your house and your toast! I'm proud of myself for doing this and very very few people ever completed a job this intense. My crate looks and flies great and I was it's savior. I'm now involved with a Spartan Exec and we have been on this for 7 months after it left the Waco factory rebuild/repair. We could write a book on this but the work is much easier than the Bellanca recover job. Loving old airplanes has it's price. Lynn the crate my wife calls it 'Jezebel' :shock:
 
Lynn;
Thanks for the perspective, I was refering to the POLYFIBER training kit being easy. I suppose that's why they sell it.. :wink:
I defer to you. I've done a little patching, but not a recover.
http://www.bellanca-champion.typeclubs.org/BB3/viewtopic.php?t=1886
This link is (of course) Lynn's dialog on rib stitching, with so much more than that on recovering.
Scott
 
Your choice on the covering system. Ceconite may be a bit cheaper and dope is easy to work. It is imperative to work the nitrate dope into the weave of the fabric or risk the dope system leave the fabric in flight. I've been a victim of this (not my cover job)! Remember, because of the initial coats of nitrate dope, the whole system will burn quite nicely. My buddy and I rolled up the old ceconite fabric off my Cessna 120 recover job and put it in the burn barrel. The flames were at least 20 feet! I think Lynn's perspective on the the Poly-Fiber system is on target. I've had good luck getting Polytone to semigloss right out of the gun. You can also rub it out like Butyrate dope. I did this on my 14-9 project, years ago and it is still bright and shiny. If you do a thorough job of a restoration using Poly-Fiber, you risk having the cover outlast your flying career!
 
Thanks for all the advice guys, I think I will probably look into that practice kit and see what I can do with it. I like the idea of having a more flame resistant airplane :)
 
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