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I am casually looking for a servicable 14-19-2. I live on an airpark in Oregon that has a wonder 2300' grass strip. As I said, I am casually looking right now, trying to gauge/guess what the market is like. Anyone have any thoughts about 14-19-2 and grass?
Thanks,
George Putnam
Workman's Airpark (OR41)
Canby, Oregon
 
George, I fly a 14-19-2 from McVille a grass field. This crate loves grass and gets off with full fuel and 4 people no sweat. If you don't have a tail wheel endorsement by all means learn on grass. the Cruisemaster is a powerful airplane and learning on grass is the ticket to confidence. LYNN N9818B
 
Thanks Lynn,
Our strip is covered with snow this morning. A little New Years surprise. The Tri-Pacer that I usually keep safe in the hanger is 150 miles away......I drove home due to ugly weather.
I'd be happy to share home photos with you if you will provide me with your direct email address.
thanks again
 
George, you can see my Cruisemaster on( myplaneonline.com) and my e-mail is (lwford@nauticom.net)LYNN N9818B :shock:
 
I guess if you'all are posting pictures onmyplane.com I will try to figure out how to do it, and post some of my 14-13-2 with an O360 :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
You really shouldn't smoke grass while flying OR restoring. Not only is it illegal, but you'll never remember where anything goes or how you got there :wink:
 
Double D. Thanks for the picture of your HO JO Bellanca. I think she looks pretty good in those Gulf Oil colors. You should post her pic on (myplaneonline.com) it is easy and free. I find it great to know what and who we are BS ing about via the picture. I hope in the future webmaster Bob enables us to post on the site. Until then we can use the alternate route. LYNN N9818B :lol:
 
Didn't think about it being Gulf Oil colors- kinda' neat!

If you want to see what NC74392 is going to look like, I'll be glad to send you a color profile.
 
Has it ever been proven that smoking grass impairs a pilot? I can't believe, after all these years, that it's still illegal....oops...was that out loud?

I got my tailwheel checkout in my Luscombe. My instructor refused to allow me to use grass until I was competent on pavement. His reasoning was that grass can make you "pavement shy." I had to earn the grass, in his opinion.

Compared to a Luscombe, the Cruisemaster is a hybernating bear. You really have to make a fuss with your landing to wake it up. This said, if you're used to a tailwheel aircraft with heaps of rudder authority, like a Luscombe, be careful with the 'Master - it doesn't.

I like to wheel land taildraggers. Although the 'Master will eagerly oblige, it bit me when I did a wheelie with a direct crosswind - those three tails make wonderful weathervanes. In heavy, gusting winds, within 30 degrees of the nose, I still prefer to wheel it on. In variable wind or crosswind, three point is the way.

One real hoot you get with a 'Master, compared to a low horsepower taildragger, is to trim it slightly nose low. It will lift off, three point, on its own. I restrict this little bit of old world elegance, however, to pavement or long grass strips. A couple of years ago I saw someone attempt this at Antique Airfield in a cabin WACO.....the results were neither pretty nor amusing.

Jonathan
 
I never had much luck wheel landing my crate. It prefers the three point full stall. Like Jonathan says ,it is a handful in a cross wind and scares the crap out of me! Those tree rudders and lack of rudder authority would tax Jimmy Doolittle, but nothing I have ever flown flies like this baby. LYNN N9818B
 
I too live on an airpark in MN( 1mn8) I just re-built a 14-19 with lyc 0-435.I love it it gets off the sod in 5-700 feet(slightly more with 6" of snow on rwy)it climbs at 1600 fpm (lightly loaded)cruises just like the manual says(175 mph at 23/23)190 mph at 7500'-75%h.p.It hauls a nice load,looks great,fun to fly,stalls very slow,I highly recommend the 14-19!I have pics to share if you send me e- mail address. markflylake@integraonline.com
 
Nice looking 'Master, Mark!

The figures you quote are nothing short of astounding for a straight 14-19. My first thought, particularly on the climb numbers, is that your airplane must be stock-light, and aided by the fact that you're flying it in winter.

Did you determine the cruise numbers over a two way course employing known distances? Sorry if I sound a tad skeptical, but I've never known a 'Master of any vintage to cruise at 190mph (many Vikings have trouble reaching those speeds). However, if these are real world numbers, I'm sure many of us would love to know what you did when you rebuilt the airplane :D

Jonathan
 
When rebuilding the Cruisair I noticed one thing in particular- the ailerons and flaps were rigged just terrible, ailerons in particular.

I don't know if over the years the aileron brackets got overtightened (best guess) or what, but the ailerons (in neutral position) were a good 1/2 inch below the bottom of the wing. I can only imagine what kind of drag that was creating.

IMO, the best speed mods anyone can make is to pay strict attention to proper control surface rigging. Of course the little "knee" farings I'm making for the landing gear (a la P-40) may help slightly (1 mph?). Mostly they will just clean up the undersides a bit and give me a warm fuzzy. 8)
 
Hey there, DD!

The interesting thing about Mark's 14-19 is that it has no speed mods - none, nada. No wing root farings, no upside down gear hats, no carving the position lights into the leading edge of the wing tips, no plastic skin on the vertical stab to prevent a bulging position light there, no undersize tires, no fared tailwheel - not a single one of the myriad mods employed over the 14 series' long history.

In short, it appears from the photos to be wholly originial.

Jonathan
 
I just didn't like the looks of the top of the landing gear sticking out like that- pure aesthetics really.
As you have stated- it'swhat it is! I don't expect mach numbers out of this essentially pre-WWII design. I just wanna' have fun!
 
I agree Dave - for those who think those half wheels below the wings give the aircraft an unfinished look, there are loads of options.

Oddly, contemporary reviews saw the protruding tires as a safety feature, remarking how useful it would be in the case of a wheels up landing. Then again, retractable landing gear in itself was remarkable for GA aircraft of the time.

Jonathan
 
Apparently around 1952 my Cruisair had a wheels-up landing. The bicycle chain jumped off the sprocket so the owner couldn't let the wheels down.
The only casualty was the bottom of the cowl.
Because of this incident, I fully intend to leave mine uncovered. I wouldn't mind some sort of wind skirt inside the wheelwell that would kinda conform to the wheel when retracted, but I don't know how feasable that would be.
To me, the greatest speed mod for the landing gear wouldn't be enclosed gear, but just keeping the relative wind out of the well. How I would do that is beyond me...
 
It is real hard to believe you can get 190 from an 0-470 at 75%. Up untill last year I owned a 68 Viking with a IO-520 and at 23" 24.5 rpm at 10.000 and 60* it only trued out at 188 mph.. Have flown with a couple of newer models a (72 & 74 ) and they are about 8 mph faster. I guess I have always owned the slower models. I now have a 14-13-2 with an Lyc O-360 C/S and I can only flight plan 150 mph. I have people tell me they fly faster than that with a franklyn 165. I know its not my plane because we also have another 14-13-2 with the same set up on the field and when we fly together we fly the same speeds at the same power settings. Who knows. :lol: :lol:
 
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