Insurance

For info my Insurance went to $704 from $550 after 16 years of minimal change. I go through AUA in the EAA Vintage program. They changed underwriters from to Global from AIG. I have basic liability and hull not in motion. Fly safe! We need to figure out a way to stop 25%/year increases.
 
Regarding the matter of insurance, I dodged an "It not an exclusion" violent *** rape just the other day. As you know I had to endure a gear-it-won't-go-down belly flop recently and the adjusters reached the scene eight days later. The planned to pro-rate their payout based on engine/prop time. If there were, say, 1000 hours on both, they'd figured I'd gotten half the value already and they'd give me 50% of the cost of repair. Fortunately I've had a recent engine and prop overhaul.

Avemco never does this. They want to settle claims quickly and move on. Problem was they wanted nearly four grand per year to cover my Cruisemaster, whereas the cost of the insurance I purchased was 1500 bucks. This is something to consider when you buy insurance, particularly if your FWF has a lot of time on it.

Four grand, though.....perhaps this is not the best of all possible examples of how you can't compare insurance by the basic numbers alone.

Jonathan
 
I just renewed with AIG thru Facer. Cost ~$1.4K including $30K in flight hull. That is actual cash value, not depreciated value. They actually have a section on increasing the amount based on aircraft appreciation. Don't think I will hold my breath on that one though.
They have a lot of other neat components too, including hangar keepers.
 
Here we go again full coverage 1300 bucks, no change in price. I'm forced to move from my grass field to 4800 ft paved Butler Co. :x . McVille is being coal stripped. Lets see if my insurance goes lower with the new digs! Ha Yeah right. Lynn N9818B the crate :roll:
 
Alas, Lynn...

No matter if you were Lindbergh in his prime with a modern day ATP, I'm afraid your insurance will probably go up. The insurance on my Luscombe I've owned for nine claim free years, and put an excrement-load of hours on, in all sorts of conditions (though I would not tell the insurance about that last bit) went up 200 bucks this year. And this was before that sh*t shop in Oregon charged my insurance thirty grand for second rate work on my beleagured Bellanca :roll:

Jonathan
 
Wow, new rate this year is $1214, down $200 from last year. Coverage is 1 million liability and 30 k hull.
Got this through Facer and Global is the underwriter. Any one else care to comment on what they are getting?
 
Hey Larry!

I expected to get whalloped after my gear-up last year. Mine only went up a couple of hundred bucks. I get mine through Butler Brown and, as a lifetime member of the Antique Aircraft Association, I get a modest discount. But insurance...varies.

I pay 1800 bucks for 40K hull and a one grand in-motion deductable. Sounds a whole lot better than the nearly four grand I paid Avemco the previous year. Difference is had my gear locked in straight and upright position the year before, Avemco would have been a bargain.

The less expensive insurance carriers check the time you have on your engine and prop, and it's mighty hard to avoid a prop strike and a tear down if you land gear up. If the engine has, say, 500 hours on it, and the published TBO is 1200 as it is on O-435s and Franklins, then the insurace will pay less than 60% of the tear down, inspection, and reassembly costs. They figure you've already gotten 40+ percent of the value of the engine already. Same goes for the prop. I had my engine overhauled in 2005 along with my prop. Thus, in 2006, they couldn't pull that one on me. The damned airplane had been stuck in an annual inspection from April to June just prior to my post-annual test flight.

Avemco has no such provisions.

For the likes of you, Larry, who can do the teardown and such yourself, and who has a Bellanca with a less troublesome gear operating system, then the choice is clear. It's clear to me too as Russell is now in the process of redoing my entire hydraulic system, and I have low times (though not for long, I hope).

If you had, say, a late model Viking OTOH, with a mid-time engine....I might think twice.

Jonathan
 
I just renewed my restoration coverage with Butler-Brown Insurance.

Underwritten by US Specialty Insurance Company in Dallas, TX.

BBI used to give a discount to members of the Antique Aircraft Assn. They may still do that, but it isn't specifically mentioned in my quote.

Contact:

Lisa Alderson, Aviation Manager
309 High Avenue East
Oskaloosa, IA 52577
1-800-934-7763
 
They asked for my membership number....of course my belief that this was pertinent to the price did involve a major assumption :wink:
 
mark said:
You might try FALCON insurance, you might do a littlt better?
I go through falcon (EAA member and AOPA) and my carrier is AIG. for my Decathlon 40K hull and 1,000,000 liability it was $1250 year. I just got my aircraft so they wanted 10 dual and 10 solo before Im covered...me Com, inst. multi with mostly complex time but no tail wheel
 
A friendly piece of advice from a former tailwheel CFI - spend as much of that first 10 hrs of dual in the pattern as possible, with a good tailwheel instructor.

It is tempting to rack up the 10 hours of dual on a couple of long cross country flights to get it out of the way as quickly as possible. However, in the air, tailwheel and nosewheel planes fly pretty much the same. Tailwheels typically are more responsive to rudder inputs, but that is usually the primary difference in the air.

On the ground, however, they are completely different animals. If you don't pay attention to the delightful beasts while moving on the ground, they will eventually spin around and grin at you. After getting the bill to fix a wingtip after a ground loop, you won't be grinning back.

However, if you pay proper attention to them, and have received good training in all conditions that you will encounter on the ground, they are IMHO some of the most delightful planes to fly. You just have to give them your undivided attention on the ground.

I take aerobatic dual in a Decathalon and find it pretty stable on the ground, but you still have to pay attention.

So, please get as much dual time as possible doing landings and takeoffs, in as many conditions and configurations as possible. Particularly do as many short field, soft field, and especially crosswind landings as possible. Learn wheel landings to handle adverse conditions. Do all varieties and combinations that you and your instructor can think of.

BTW, I wonder why they want you to go solo for 10 hours without coverage? That doesn't make a lot of sense. I can understand total time in type, but more dual would seem to be a better idea.

The solo time requirement would be a good time to get in those long XCs. The risk factor would sure be lower than pattern work while you are not yet covered by the policy.

Happy flying!

David York
 
My feeling on insurance is..............If you don't have a lot of retractable or tailwheel time, buy hull insurance for a year or 100 hrs. After that, self insure. Liability insurance is cheap. I figure, if I bust it, I get to fix it. I don't.. have hull on any thing. I've used Butler and Brown for some time. They don't seem to have a problem with old Bellancas.
 
What I'd really like to have is insurance that covers 392 for everything while on the ground. Sure would suck if some yahoo ran over my Cruisair while it was tied down somewhere, or someone managed to start a hangar fire. :cry:
Once I'm in the air, I feel pretty comfortable with minimum coverage. :D
 
Larry: Ditto here.
Dave: I used to buy ground-only coverage from Avemco and it was pretty reasonable. One caveat: I sort of remember taxiing was not covered, but not sure.
 
I have "hull not in motion" coverage through AUAs vintage aircraft program underwritten by Global. Should be getting a new quote soon. This has been reasonable for me. The savings over the pat 20 years has paid for the hull.
 
On "Hull not in Motion" insurance-
1) How does no time in type affect the rate?
2) Does that cover it if it were still in my garage under reconstruction, or just at the A/P?
3) What's "reasonable"?
 
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