Air wolf oil seperator

leadsledfan

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Has anyone used an air wolf oil separator system on the Franklin or Continental 230?
I was thinking it might be worthwhile to be able to carry a full 8 quarts of oil and clean the belly less.
Thoughts?
-Adam
 
Where is the oil on your belly coming from? You do have a Franklin you know, and they are "externally lubricated". There is a good chance that the oil is coming from a push rod tube seal, or the back of the oil sump gasket (forward of the spider and the carb.) I would not recycle anything caught in the separator back into the engine...it may help a little with the belly, but you're young...crawl under an clean the plane's belly...it's a bonding experience!
 
Larry,
All of my push rod tube seals, oil pan, top cover, valve cover, and bendix cover gaskets are the orange real gaskets, and I don't see any noticeable leakage.
I notice a steady river of oil on my belly from the breather, especially when I fill past 7.5 quarts.
According to air wolf, they use cylinder head air heat to keep the oil seperator hot which leads to the water being ejected and the oil being returned. I have heard good things from Rotax and lycoming operators but nothing from franklin and continental 470 runners.
It is a relatively cheap part (500 bucks) and their claim is that you can run your oil to full capacity without losing a massive amount of oil to blow out
also, even at my young spry age, crawling on your back and cleaning oil is never fun
 
Adam, I seem to recall that the real gaskets on the 165 that are on the case end of the pushrods are black, and different size from those on the head end which are orange.
Regardless, I am only expressing an opinion ( and prejudice) about oil separators since I haven't used one. The idea of returning that gunk into the engine just doesn't appeal to me. See what happens when you get older, you get cranky and stuck in your ways. I don't know anybody who has used one on a Franklin. I do know people who have them on Lycs but they are much "drier" engines than Franklins. I don't know anything about Rotax, so I can't even come up with a prejudice or wild assed opinion. I do know that if I saw as much oil on the belly of Lycoming powered planes as I do see on the belly of Franklin powered planes I would be concerned. They are just very different engines! If you do put one on, I'd be very interested to find out what it has done for you.
 
I'll keep the group apprised to my path forward.
The Bellanca is going in for a pre buy inspection on Thursday, and may be headed to a new owner soon.
-Adam
 
I'm not familiar with Franklins. Does your engine have a hard line from the top of the fuel pump to overboard? Mine does and oil poured out of it when the pump diaphragm failed. Tom Robinson
 
I'm told Airwolf makes all there money on return stocking fees. I know of two owners who tried them and were dissatisfied with results. One claims the separator made the plane worse. This could all be true or BS it is very important to install it properly, especially the height above the outlet. I have a wet pump on the crate and the separator on my -2 works great. It is original Bellanca. Lynn :shock:
 
My -2 has the wet pump and factory separator as well. I park the plane over cardboard because the breather will drip water/oil crud after shutdown. I get a slow buildup of crud on the belly that needs to be cleaned at 75-100 hrs. your standards of cleanliness may vary.
 
I have a Wolf Air/Oil Separator on my 260 Cruisemaster. The belly stays pretty clean, but I have to wipe it down every couple of months so it doesn't build up. I have a drip pan under my engine because the separator will drip some of that goop that it catches like others have said. But it's not very much. Hope that helps!

Trot
 
This is an 'apples to oranges' comparison, but I put an Airwolf oil filter, vacuum pump, and air oil separator on my 200hp Ranger engine in my Fairchild and it made a MASSIVE difference in the amount of oil on the belly and a noticeable difference in overall oil consumption. The Ranger, like the Franklin, is as Larry characterizes it - an externally lubricated engine. When it is no longer dripping oil onto the hangar floor, it is simply out of oil. However, there is a LOT less oil on the belly since this installation.

I intend to put the Airwolf separator on the 165 Franklin I'm building up for the Bellanca. I haven't made a decision yet about an oil filter - I like the stack type filters and their installation.

Brad Donner
NC86916
 
Bah, externally lubricated is just a way of justifying a leaking engine... It never ceases to amaze me that someone will spend all the money and time to install a separator - all that can do is recover blow-by from crankcase.. man, if you have that much usable oil floating around your crankcase so it can blow out the vent, you've got other problems that need to be addressed.. spend your money there.
If it's leaking, fix the leaks! a separator wont help you there.
The places that Franks and Conts leak are well known, functioning gaskets, seals and proper assembly will not leak. Beware that it can be quite difficult to "see" the leak thanks to all that wind inside the cowl but again, there's no secrets.
I like Real Seal products, but you can still have a dry engine without them. I find them especially beneficial on older engines that may have had some ham-handed handling on sheet metal sumps and thin push rod tubes that may not be perfectly round anymore, especially since new Franklin seals maybe be stiff from old age, and the rocker covers arent young anymore... But there's no excuses on a Cont.
My -3 came with a freshly overhauled engine. after few hours of time around Dallas and the 7 hour ride home, it leaked like a mother. After pulling the engine I discovered that the crank halves were fine as were the rocker covers, but push rod tube seals, the oil pan, and the accessories were all gushing like Niagara. Oil pan mating surface was warped and dented along with a used gasket that was broken, no silk on the oil pump housing, and no gaskets/sealant on the vacuum and fuel pumps. Fixed all that and now it's dry :) Ohya, threw that wet vacuum pump out and went dry. in the process, found a very expensive fuel line about cut-through by the alternator belt, a leaking nose strut, and leaking threads on the nose gear retraction cylinder too...
It's a bonding experience... fix your leaks. Yes, you can.

Found another leaking thread on one of the main retract cylinders yesterday during the annual.. no biggie. Bellanca just used a 1/8 npt threaded hole on the cylinder and after all these years, it's not surprising the thread finally gave up, especially at 1500 PSI.

oh, by the way.. Rangers and Radials have their own special issues thanks to up-side down cylinders BUT they still don't leak if they're assembled correctly! The do smoke like a mother when they start after a period of idle and have a ginormous about of oil vapor in the crank... separator could help there. My Ranger had a baffle inside right before the crank vent exit that did the job. (PT-19). Both of the radials I care for now leak like crazy but that's the owner being lazy... "radials don't leak, they mark their territory" Both Cessna 195s
 
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