ADS-B

Larry Lowenkron

Larry Lowenkron

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Rather than continue an old thread unrelated to this subject… ADSB out will be required in 2020 for all planes to fly in controlled airspace. It really won't be the end of the world for us. I just hope the FAA does a better job than they did when transponders were first required. I seem to recall they only had the capability to read 64 codes while they required us to have 4096 code transponders.
I may be optimistic, but I would expect the cost to come down as we get nearer to 2020 and more avionics become available. Worst case for me, we only have six towers in all of Oregon and one class C airspace. If you going to Eastern Oregon it's like the FAA never existed. Guess I can move east
 
There's so many add-on gadgets out now that add ADS-B to existing radio installs (with more on the way) that I think the upgrade is going to be a lot less than people think. Anyone who's flown it knows how amazing it is to have that intel.
Some of us fly in busy airspace - Flight following is free. ADS-B is like having a radar screen on the panel. You'd be amazed how many targets you see in the middle of nowhere....
I remember when people said they didn't need the internet, it was just a passing fad :)
 
I am often scared to death when flying, because I know the other airplanes are invisible and closing FAST.

My operation is basically high speed puddle jumper, and I wont probably still be flying in 2020.

but I'm all for having the ability to see and avoid the traffic.

now will the other :wink: guy with his face glued to his new piece of glass, realize that blip is ME
and I'm about to get real close to his wife ?
 
Airlines and General Aviation is not equipping their aircraft with ADS because the is no return on the investment. The taxpayers, airlines, and GA are getting screwed by their government again according to government reports! Likewise, less than 5% of the airline/GA fleet is equipped and there is little incentive for more to comply. Hopefully this system will die on the vine due to lack of participation until it is beneficial.

http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2014/September/25/Watchdog-report-highlights-problems-with-NextGen-mandate
 
gosh... there's and uplifting attitude. :wink:

who the heck told you the airlines aren't using it ?
 
blimpy said:
gosh... there's and uplifting attitude. :wink:

who the heck told you the airlines aren't using it ?
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ya, I don't get that either.. my screen shows a conga line coming and going east and north from the international airport here, along with lots of odd targets.. looks like it's been adopted OK to me...
 
Well, Glennhake may be right. In fact, he gave a good ref for the point he made.
Heavy Metal is only equipping with mode S extended squitter. (1090 mhz) Futher, they do not receive ADS-B streams or transmit on 978 mhz, relying only on their CAS for traffic. So, they are not visible directly by ADS-B 978 mhz receivers. However, if the local ATC sys is fully equipped, the squitter data stream is received by the radar center, decoded, and sent to a cellphone tower somewhat near the aircraft emitting the data and broadcast on 978mhz. This data containing traffic info is received by nearby aircraft to be displayed as local traffic targets.
In order to not be dependent on the ground based stuff, our planes would need to have a dual freq ADS-B receiver to get all ADS-B traffic directly.
BTW, FAA split the ADS-B OUT hoping to reduce overload on1090 mhz. But now there is not much cost advantage to 978 OUT and mode S ES may become the more popular ADS-B OUT choice.

Another big issue I see, this is more about cost, is the GPS data source for your ADS-B OUT. A WAAS GPS receiver can be had for a few bucks and it will work just fine, giving an accurate position within a few feet, but it won't do after 2020. After that, a properly pedigreed GPS will be mandatory. Now that few bucks is 4 or 5 thousand. If you already have a Garmin G430W or better, you got it. Otherwise, start saving up.
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This posted this morning -

http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2014/October/28/AOPA-tells-FAA-mandate-unworkable-without-changes
 
more in Aviation Safety this month... nothing earthshaking, but kinda spells out the current situation.

Think they are making way too much out of the avionics shop over-load.
For the guys flying the complex iron.. and that maybe is Vikings, mooneys, and all the glass panel boys, could be a problem.

But the reality of the thing should not be much harder than a transponder swap.
Existing antenna should work.

So what the hell do you need for ADS-B out.. a transponder swap, and plug in a gps signal ?

How much of a giant avionics swampfest was there when they added the Mode C altitude encoder ?

there are a LOT of hole in the wall avionics shops that can add an installer or two on short notice, and plenty of A&Ps and owners, who can easily install a new transpoder, and make the plug in connection to a GPS.

The receive side really has no standards or requirements, and will done as it is now.. blue toothed to a tablet.

I don't see any living dogs in this fight... except for the rich guys... boo hoo .
:lol:
 
For installations where cabling has to be custom fabricated, and installed,
in tight situations this is time consuming... for the 172 crowd.. I think it is a non issue.

I say this as a guy who used to do this stuff for a living.

I haven't seen a fixed gear single engine plane with what even approximates
professional installation of radios in a LONG LONG time.

So, this is different how ?
 
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